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		<title>Comment on Building an Accessibility Body of Knowledge by David Sloan</title>
		<link>http://58sound.com/2012/04/15/building-an-accessibility-body-of-knowledge/#comment-533</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Sloan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an update with two purposes. Firstly, I&#039;d like to thank everyone who took part in the discussion in Lyon last week - we had a terrific cross-section of input from academic researchers to accessibility consultants, plus input from W3C/WAI, and it was very helpful to get everyone&#039;s views on the idea of an Accessibility Body of Knowledge and how eAccess+ can best contribute in this area. I also appreciate the comments already received on this blog post, which added to the discussion.

Secondly, I want to outline what I&#039;ll be doing with the results. I&#039;m currently writing my thoughts into something longer and slightly more formal. A version of this report will be internal to eAccess+ to help inform what we do next, but I&#039;ll also share this publicly - via this blog - my reflections on the discussion, what I think should happen next and, if possible, update you on what eAccess+ commits to doing.

Thanks again!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an update with two purposes. Firstly, I&#8217;d like to thank everyone who took part in the discussion in Lyon last week &#8211; we had a terrific cross-section of input from academic researchers to accessibility consultants, plus input from W3C/WAI, and it was very helpful to get everyone&#8217;s views on the idea of an Accessibility Body of Knowledge and how eAccess+ can best contribute in this area. I also appreciate the comments already received on this blog post, which added to the discussion.</p>
<p>Secondly, I want to outline what I&#8217;ll be doing with the results. I&#8217;m currently writing my thoughts into something longer and slightly more formal. A version of this report will be internal to eAccess+ to help inform what we do next, but I&#8217;ll also share this publicly &#8211; via this blog &#8211; my reflections on the discussion, what I think should happen next and, if possible, update you on what eAccess+ commits to doing.</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building an Accessibility Body of Knowledge by Jim Hendler at the W4A! #w4a12 #ally #accessibility &#124; Thinking Out Loud&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Hendler at the W4A! #w4a12 #ally #accessibility &#124; Thinking Out Loud&#8230;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Building an Accessibility Body of Knowledge by knowbility</title>
		<link>http://58sound.com/2012/04/15/building-an-accessibility-body-of-knowledge/#comment-510</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[knowbility]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks David for a thorough discussion of opportunities facing our community at this time.  I am in complete agreement that accessibility should not &quot;remain a specialism.&quot;  To be effective, accessibility awareness and skills must be integrated into the design and development of all interactive media communications technologies, and not siloed away into a separate discipline.  That is one of the main reasons I have been skeptical of another initiative that came out of CSUN 2012 - the proposal to create a society for accessibility professionals.  It seems to be that rather than trying to establish these separate sources of authority, we should be using all of our collaborative skills to get inclusive design theory seamlessly integrated into every aspect of the digital media industry.
The work being developed by a11yBOK and e-access + Hub is enormously useful and has transformative potential, and I see your point about the parallel efforts and the need to find a way to encourage collaboration. These are long term efforts that will be valuable only as long as they can be accurately maintained.  Resources must be curated in a way that allows inclusive design techniques and practices to be easily integrated into all training of web and application designers and developers. 
I am a bit puzzled however about why you dismiss WAI at the W3C as &quot;limited by funding and policy constraints.&quot; Surely ANY organization will have funding limitations and every group has policies of some sort. I have a bias in favor of the W3C&#039;s policy methods - consensus appeals to me when making decisions about such a broad reaching technology.  But I understand how that process can become an impediment in an environment that changes as quickly as ours does. That is why I have been greatly encouraged as the W3C instituted their Business and Community Groups as an alternative way for people to collaborate using W3C resources, but outside of the formal W3C process. 
I urge anyone who is interested in moving the accessibility ball down the field to investigate a couple of these Community Groups.  The first, led by Chris Mills of Opera, is the WebEd Community Group (http://www.w3.org/community/webed/) that seeks to create a standardized, foundational curriculum, based on current web standards,  to train web and IT professionals. The second is newly formed and chaired by Jennison Assuncion.  It is called WAI-Engage (http://www.w3.org/community/wai-engage) and is meant to provide a space for this community to figure out questions exactly like these you have posed here.  
Accessibility is not a solo act.  It is only effective when it is harmonized with all of the other elements that make the web what it is - a place for engaged humans to share ideas, experiences, and perspectives. The more open and more inclusive the web becomes, the more it fulfills its fundamental purpose.  Doing this work together at the W3C allows us to tap into ongoing work on related topics and to learn from them, contribute to them and ensure that accessibility becomes fully integrated into thinking about design and development across all types of specifications and standards. Let&#039;s do it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David for a thorough discussion of opportunities facing our community at this time.  I am in complete agreement that accessibility should not &#8220;remain a specialism.&#8221;  To be effective, accessibility awareness and skills must be integrated into the design and development of all interactive media communications technologies, and not siloed away into a separate discipline.  That is one of the main reasons I have been skeptical of another initiative that came out of CSUN 2012 &#8211; the proposal to create a society for accessibility professionals.  It seems to be that rather than trying to establish these separate sources of authority, we should be using all of our collaborative skills to get inclusive design theory seamlessly integrated into every aspect of the digital media industry.<br />
The work being developed by a11yBOK and e-access + Hub is enormously useful and has transformative potential, and I see your point about the parallel efforts and the need to find a way to encourage collaboration. These are long term efforts that will be valuable only as long as they can be accurately maintained.  Resources must be curated in a way that allows inclusive design techniques and practices to be easily integrated into all training of web and application designers and developers.<br />
I am a bit puzzled however about why you dismiss WAI at the W3C as &#8220;limited by funding and policy constraints.&#8221; Surely ANY organization will have funding limitations and every group has policies of some sort. I have a bias in favor of the W3C&#8217;s policy methods &#8211; consensus appeals to me when making decisions about such a broad reaching technology.  But I understand how that process can become an impediment in an environment that changes as quickly as ours does. That is why I have been greatly encouraged as the W3C instituted their Business and Community Groups as an alternative way for people to collaborate using W3C resources, but outside of the formal W3C process.<br />
I urge anyone who is interested in moving the accessibility ball down the field to investigate a couple of these Community Groups.  The first, led by Chris Mills of Opera, is the WebEd Community Group (<a href="http://www.w3.org/community/webed/" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/community/webed/</a>) that seeks to create a standardized, foundational curriculum, based on current web standards,  to train web and IT professionals. The second is newly formed and chaired by Jennison Assuncion.  It is called WAI-Engage (<a href="http://www.w3.org/community/wai-engage" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/community/wai-engage</a>) and is meant to provide a space for this community to figure out questions exactly like these you have posed here.<br />
Accessibility is not a solo act.  It is only effective when it is harmonized with all of the other elements that make the web what it is &#8211; a place for engaged humans to share ideas, experiences, and perspectives. The more open and more inclusive the web becomes, the more it fulfills its fundamental purpose.  Doing this work together at the W3C allows us to tap into ongoing work on related topics and to learn from them, contribute to them and ensure that accessibility becomes fully integrated into thinking about design and development across all types of specifications and standards. Let&#8217;s do it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building an Accessibility Body of Knowledge by Klaus</title>
		<link>http://58sound.com/2012/04/15/building-an-accessibility-body-of-knowledge/#comment-509</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Klaus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do think that
a) such an effort is really needed as getting started for new-comers is difficult and in particular finding the piece of information for a certain task or job is often frustrating
b) joint efforts should be considered but looking at a11ybuzz am not sure if this is the same as the HUB intends. It is an excellent FAQ or news channel, but if I need information on accessibility legislation in a certain country or experts in my regioin ... you need an other type of guidance. Such things might work better on the HUB ...
But in any case I really like the effort and attempt!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think that<br />
a) such an effort is really needed as getting started for new-comers is difficult and in particular finding the piece of information for a certain task or job is often frustrating<br />
b) joint efforts should be considered but looking at a11ybuzz am not sure if this is the same as the HUB intends. It is an excellent FAQ or news channel, but if I need information on accessibility legislation in a certain country or experts in my regioin &#8230; you need an other type of guidance. Such things might work better on the HUB &#8230;<br />
But in any case I really like the effort and attempt!</p>
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		<title>Comment on CSUNs in the shade by David Sloan</title>
		<link>http://58sound.com/2011/03/14/csuns-in-the-shade/#comment-434</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Sloan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Kelly

While I used CSUN as the topic of the post, the main objective was to talk about the influence an external definition of &#039;impact&#039; (i.e. not my own opinion) has on the conference attendance plans of academic researchers, rather than specifically critiquing CSUN&#039;s reviewing structure.

Perhaps I should clarify that when I said &quot;much less thorough&quot; I only meant the criteria by which I was asked to review each submission, not the paper selection process after reviewers&#039; comments were received (about which I can&#039;t comment as I wasn&#039;t involved in that stage).

I&#039;ll be be happy to offer CSUN my views on the reviewing process, but I&#039;ll say again that I&#039;m absolutely not on a crusade to change the conference - just curious to see how it could earn the impact (from a UK academic research perspective) it seems to deserve as an influential gathering of people in the accessibility/AT field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kelly</p>
<p>While I used CSUN as the topic of the post, the main objective was to talk about the influence an external definition of &#8216;impact&#8217; (i.e. not my own opinion) has on the conference attendance plans of academic researchers, rather than specifically critiquing CSUN&#8217;s reviewing structure.</p>
<p>Perhaps I should clarify that when I said &#8220;much less thorough&#8221; I only meant the criteria by which I was asked to review each submission, not the paper selection process after reviewers&#8217; comments were received (about which I can&#8217;t comment as I wasn&#8217;t involved in that stage).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be be happy to offer CSUN my views on the reviewing process, but I&#8217;ll say again that I&#8217;m absolutely not on a crusade to change the conference &#8211; just curious to see how it could earn the impact (from a UK academic research perspective) it seems to deserve as an influential gathering of people in the accessibility/AT field.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CSUNs in the shade by Kelly</title>
		<link>http://58sound.com/2011/03/14/csuns-in-the-shade/#comment-433</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David,

You “found the review system [at CSUN] much less thorough than for other conferences I’ve reviewed for, that also seek to attract good accessibility and inclusive design research.” Yet, your post did not compare or contrast CSUN’s system for paper acceptance with some of the other conferences with which you had experience. What specifically should the CSUN organizers do differently to make the paper acceptance system much more rigorous and competetive? Also, it is a conference that industry and the broader disability community attends. How might innovation and unconventional ideas fare in an effort to elevate the quality of presentations?  New ideas may threaten certain interests.  The biggest example of this in recent years was the finding that coconut oil can reverse the effects or stop the progression of Altzheimer’s disease in some persons.  The doctor who would present this finding had her accepted paper yanked a week before an Altzheimer’s disease conference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>You “found the review system [at CSUN] much less thorough than for other conferences I’ve reviewed for, that also seek to attract good accessibility and inclusive design research.” Yet, your post did not compare or contrast CSUN’s system for paper acceptance with some of the other conferences with which you had experience. What specifically should the CSUN organizers do differently to make the paper acceptance system much more rigorous and competetive? Also, it is a conference that industry and the broader disability community attends. How might innovation and unconventional ideas fare in an effort to elevate the quality of presentations?  New ideas may threaten certain interests.  The biggest example of this in recent years was the finding that coconut oil can reverse the effects or stop the progression of Altzheimer’s disease in some persons.  The doctor who would present this finding had her accepted paper yanked a week before an Altzheimer’s disease conference.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CSUNs in the shade by David Sloan</title>
		<link>http://58sound.com/2011/03/14/csuns-in-the-shade/#comment-432</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Sloan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Kelly,

Thanks for the comment. I guess I was always open to the accusation that if I want to attend, I should pay my own way :) So if that&#039;s how you read this post, then fair enough.

However, two points:

1. This is absolutely not a cry about my employer&#039;s decision, whom I would never expect to pay for my trip. Funding for the research projects I work on comes with a travel budget - it&#039;s a question of how that budget is spent. And spending tends to be governed by how the research funding system measures impact, so choice of conference is driven by the credit we get for having a paper accepted. CSUN compares poorly with other conferences in terms of research impact, but the reason for writing the post was to ask whether that is justified.

2. I did not say that there would be mediocre presentations at CSUN 2011, and not being there in person, it&#039;s impossible for me to judge whether or not there will be. As a reviewer, it would also be unprofessional and unethical of me to tell you the details of any papers I didn&#039;t rate highly but have still been accepted. My point concerned the rigour of the reviewing system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kelly,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. I guess I was always open to the accusation that if I want to attend, I should pay my own way <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  So if that&#8217;s how you read this post, then fair enough.</p>
<p>However, two points:</p>
<p>1. This is absolutely not a cry about my employer&#8217;s decision, whom I would never expect to pay for my trip. Funding for the research projects I work on comes with a travel budget &#8211; it&#8217;s a question of how that budget is spent. And spending tends to be governed by how the research funding system measures impact, so choice of conference is driven by the credit we get for having a paper accepted. CSUN compares poorly with other conferences in terms of research impact, but the reason for writing the post was to ask whether that is justified.</p>
<p>2. I did not say that there would be mediocre presentations at CSUN 2011, and not being there in person, it&#8217;s impossible for me to judge whether or not there will be. As a reviewer, it would also be unprofessional and unethical of me to tell you the details of any papers I didn&#8217;t rate highly but have still been accepted. My point concerned the rigour of the reviewing system.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CSUNs in the shade by Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David,

Rather than pose as a middle-class complainer, consider offering solutions to the organizers if you want change.  Deliver not a complaint but a proposed solution.  Realize of course that Northridge is not a top-tier academic institution. If you are expecting an experience at the level of UC Berkeley, University of Illinois at Urbana or MIT, it likely won’t happen from something emanating from Northridge.  

Also, if you believe the organizers let a number of mediocre people to present inconsequential topics, then name names and specify presentations. A complaint without clear examples is somewhat meaningless.  Who should not be at this year&#039;s CSUN and why?

It all seems to boil down to the fact that the CSUN conference isn’t worth spending your own money to attend. If you can’t go using other people’s money, then you won’t go.  Fair enough. It is silly though to cry about your employer’s decision publicly unless you have specific suggestions to change the conference that would enable your employer to pull out the checkbook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Rather than pose as a middle-class complainer, consider offering solutions to the organizers if you want change.  Deliver not a complaint but a proposed solution.  Realize of course that Northridge is not a top-tier academic institution. If you are expecting an experience at the level of UC Berkeley, University of Illinois at Urbana or MIT, it likely won’t happen from something emanating from Northridge.  </p>
<p>Also, if you believe the organizers let a number of mediocre people to present inconsequential topics, then name names and specify presentations. A complaint without clear examples is somewhat meaningless.  Who should not be at this year&#8217;s CSUN and why?</p>
<p>It all seems to boil down to the fact that the CSUN conference isn’t worth spending your own money to attend. If you can’t go using other people’s money, then you won’t go.  Fair enough. It is silly though to cry about your employer’s decision publicly unless you have specific suggestions to change the conference that would enable your employer to pull out the checkbook.</p>
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		<link>http://58sound.com/2009/11/15/web-accessibility-surveys-results-are-frequently-disappointing/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alice Anderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone have any leads on &#039;accessible web survey tools&#039; ... as I struggle (and have for the past 2 years) to find a web survey tool that people who use assistive technology can use - either as recipients of a survey, or to develop surveys - and be robust enough for researchers (data analysis).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have any leads on &#8216;accessible web survey tools&#8217; &#8230; as I struggle (and have for the past 2 years) to find a web survey tool that people who use assistive technology can use &#8211; either as recipients of a survey, or to develop surveys &#8211; and be robust enough for researchers (data analysis).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is &#8216;a11y&#8217; our ally? Thoughts on a tag for web accessibility by Cliff Tyllick</title>
		<link>http://58sound.com/2010/04/16/is-a11y-our-ally-thoughts-on-a-tag-for-web-accessibility/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cliff Tyllick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, David. To stir the pot once more, the promised annotations elude us, and the use of hashtags continues.

My main objection to a11y (along with its partners, i18n and l10n) is that it&#039;s a numeronym — a puzzle to be solved as a sort of initiation rite for the cult of the elite Web workers.

Yes, they save space. But they also confuse. And if we&#039;re going to concede that it&#039;s acceptable to confuse people to save space, why not use the hexadecimal counting system to really save space?

Instead of #a11y, write #aby.

Instead of #l10n, write #lan.

Instead of #i18n, write #i12n. (OK, so we don&#039;t save any space there, but, as they say, two out of three ain&#039;t bad.)

#AxS might never catch on. But even when people forget to capitalize its &quot;A&quot; and &quot;S,&quot; it looks and sounds more like part of what we&#039;re talking about.

I myself have lapsed back into generally using #a11y. But I really regret that the spirit of #i9y* wasn&#039;t a stronger factor the group — whoever it was — that decided that A-one-one-Y was the way to go.

Cheers!
Cliff

* That&#039;s &quot;inclusivity,&quot; which is said to be an important construct of our field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, David. To stir the pot once more, the promised annotations elude us, and the use of hashtags continues.</p>
<p>My main objection to a11y (along with its partners, i18n and l10n) is that it&#8217;s a numeronym — a puzzle to be solved as a sort of initiation rite for the cult of the elite Web workers.</p>
<p>Yes, they save space. But they also confuse. And if we&#8217;re going to concede that it&#8217;s acceptable to confuse people to save space, why not use the hexadecimal counting system to really save space?</p>
<p>Instead of #a11y, write #aby.</p>
<p>Instead of #l10n, write #lan.</p>
<p>Instead of #i18n, write #i12n. (OK, so we don&#8217;t save any space there, but, as they say, two out of three ain&#8217;t bad.)</p>
<p>#AxS might never catch on. But even when people forget to capitalize its &#8220;A&#8221; and &#8220;S,&#8221; it looks and sounds more like part of what we&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>I myself have lapsed back into generally using #a11y. But I really regret that the spirit of #i9y* wasn&#8217;t a stronger factor the group — whoever it was — that decided that A-one-one-Y was the way to go.</p>
<p>Cheers!<br />
Cliff</p>
<p>* That&#8217;s &#8220;inclusivity,&#8221; which is said to be an important construct of our field.</p>
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